>>3717

One of the weirdest things i noticed in comparison is the shows they made during those years is the cartoons produced for america usually have higher quality to them than the shows they produced domestically for themselves, all studios not anyone specifically.
If you look at the tv anime during those years and compare them to what the were making for people here youll see what i mean.

>>3719
It's a cultural issue. Western media values variety and originality, so Western cartoons and comics will have reasonably varied episodic and overarching plots each time. Japan tolerates series consisting of 50 near identical, generally low stakes episodes with the same general overarching story because it's easy to make that kind of show look deeper than it really is if you include depictions of PTSD, death, grief, teen angst, and sexuality as well as social commentary and dark endings.

>>3732

I dont think you understand what i meant.
Here is an example, there are others but this will do.
Ulysses 31 came out in 1981, compare its animation to any other tv anime made in japan during the same year. The quality of its animation during its run is quite high which is why you dont see people posting terrible inbetween frames or bad "quality" images from it when it gets brought up.
Compare it to something like GoLion(before it was Voltron) which came out at the same time but was produced for their domestic tv market.
Both has similar natrual character design style but the animation quality between them is vastly different.
You see where im going with this?

>>3733
That's also a cultural issue. Western animation prioritizes fluid motion while anime prioritizes detailed frames and will sacrifice fluidity if necessary. Western companies will want something fluid and full of motion if they want a series to succeed here.
Ulysses 31 has really high quality animation because in the early 80s, TMS had ambitions of being as well-respected and famous worldwide as Disney. In pursuit of that goal, they did good work on their global projects. Many of the other TMS 80s cartoons (namely Visionaries and Galaxy Rangers) also have really good animation.
Toei cartoons made for the West often had good animation because the Western companies always gave them more money than they'd allot for their own anime. The most prominent example of this is the Transformers movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was also true for the other Sunbow productions. GI Joe looks better on average than even Zeta Gundam.

I’ve never seen Ulysses 31, it was Tadao Nagahama’s last work before his unfortunate passing correct?

>>3800
There is NOTHING wrong with the anime.
t. have read the manga.

>>3800
I've read the manga and I still think its monstrously overrated

Tomo is the worst character and I wish the mangaka went with the decision to kill her off suddenly as the shock twist for the manga but sadly not.

Tomo sees Tomo do

tomo is lowk a good character #tbh

God I only started reading it last year but it’s probably one of my favorite jump manga alongside one piece and Jojo’s

Nice, Slam Dunk is honestly a really good manga. It was one of the few manga's that made me understand Sports on a deeper level. There's a part in the manga where one character couldn't play in a very important game due to an injury and he cries as he is sent off the court. I remember finding it odd and almost comical, it's just an injury until it's explained that he trained for this exact game, he spent days over months training every part of his body to play in this EXACT game and through no fault of his own, he cannot continue and must be sent off.

Interestingly, a few months later I was randomly watching a game of Football with a friend and the exact same thing happened (player injured in the final, he cries as he's forced to retire from the game) and I would've laughed before but now I truly understood.

It's a shame it never really got a true adaptation (I believe the 90's version stops about 70% through) but at least it's a finished Manga unlike Inoue's other manga….

Also best girl

>>3616
Hope you enjoy it. Aside from the TV anime, the movie is a good complement to the manga, it isn't a 1 to 1 adaptation of those chapters, but you'd definitely enjoy it more after you've finished reading the manga. I'm glad I got to watch it in a movie theater.

Its really good, I like the yaoi.

>>3912
I haven't actually watched it but the yaoi fics by Chinese sisters are high quality stuff. Strangely a lot of mpreg and lactation…

Vagabond is one of the few comics I had to own physically, so I suppose Iwill have to read this eventually. Even if it seems a teensy bit gay.

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>>3811
i only know this series from that one guy on twitter that constantly posts this girl

>>3811
How's the manga? Apparently it ran for ten years, which is long for a series with no Wikipedia page and only a short OVA adaption.

>>3813
like all some his other more popular manga, such as Buttobi!! CPU, there is lots of fanservice
the main gist is an all women group of special forces combating terrorism
it has some brutal scenes like babies blowing up
that's all I remember

>combatting terrorism
no thanks I'll pass on this one

>>2855
Well, I'm watching fancy Lala. it starts off a bit weak, but begins to channel what was so good about the '80s Pierrot Mahou Shoujo shows as it goes on: that dreamy kind of surreal take on magic and allowing it to interact with believable slice of life scenarios, and like Creamy Mammy it has the idol element front and center.Occasionally the animation and storyboarding gets quite strong as well , It's not really on the level of the '80s shows, but it's not unsatisfying that regard.

What about you, anon?

>>2855
Irony of this thread now.

>>3366
Much irony
Damn, I only have nu-anime screencaps and images, so I can't even post a relevant image. What a shame!

Turns out retro things are retro and there is very little interest in them. People are too busy being trapped in a perpetual seasonal flavor of the month cycle.

I'm not watching any pre-2000 anime but for manga I'm reading
>Akazukin Chacha
>Hell Teacher Nube
>Glass Mask
Akazukin Chacha's pretty cool. Ribon has a lot of good manga in the 80s and 90s. The anime for it interests me since some stuff in the openings don't have anything to do with the manga so far, and I'm past the point in the manga where the anime was airing. Also Shiine looks like a girl in the anime.

>>3610
I'd say any CLAMP or Showa 24 Group work would do nicely, maybe Minky Momo if you want historical significance

>>3605
>>3610
Not a lady… but I do like old dramatic shoujo. To me the go-to for that would have to mention the big 70s series first:
1973 Aim for the Ace! (+80s sequels)
1976 Candy Candy
1979 Rose of Versailles

And then add:
1969 Attack No. 1
1984 Glass Mask
1991 Oniisama e…
Plus shoujo-adjacent WMT series like Perrine, Anne and Sara.

>>3642
I love Oniisama e, I once saw it described as the "uber-shoujo" which is I think apt

>>3610
His and Her Circumstances is a must watch shojo anime even if the production is a bit of a mess.
Basically Anno who just finished Eva got handed a bog standard shoujo manga to adapt, the result is pretty crazy with him being pulled from the project at some point because the Mangaka was very upset.
Here is a article about the production if you're interested: https://archive.ph/jmcGD

>>3605
If you want a theoretical "Old Anime Canon", it'd probably look something this (exclusively just works fully subtitled in English given the demographics of English imageboards).
Only ordered by release date, this isn't a ranking.
>Sasuke (1968)
Will be releasing in English this October. It's an early ninja anime that is one of the first steps towards the 70s in terms of expected quality.
>Dororo to Hyakkimaru (1969)
Stylistically sublime… until it isn't. Still good, and you may recognize the name from the 2019 remake, simply called Dororo.
>Ashita no Joe (1970)
The first true Osamu Dezaki work, adapting the story of a drifter kid who becomes a boxer.
>Lupin III (1971)
I'll only put the original series here, but it's a short and sweet episodic adventure/heist anime.
>Ace wo Nerae (1973)
Another Osamu Dezaki, this time about the struggles of a high schooler as she is pushed to 'Aim for the Ace' by her school's new tennis coach.
>Ie Naki Ko (1977)
Another Dezaki work, this one adapting the french novel 'Sans Famille', about an orphan boy who is sold by his adoptive father to a traveling entertainer.
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>>2901
Loved this show when it was originally airing. I think the reason modern audiences don't understand it is because they don't remember what it was like before the internet/global network/wired was everywhere and connected to everything. When this show originally aired there was still a huge divide in society where most people either didn't interact with the internet (and the people on it) at all or they only interacted with it through limited or secondary means. By that I mean. You might have an email address for the company you worked with but you rarely used it for anything beyond getting reports from 2-3 people. Or you saw print outs of stuff someone else printed off from the web. Maybe you dialed in for a couple of hours now and again to browse a handful of websites. But most people weren't doing stuff like building up a friend group online on BBSs/forums/IRC. The people that were really into the internet and doing those things were seen as strange by most of society. Even they unplugged now and again either by choice or not. Since you had to disconnect from time to time to maintain a normal life. There was no internet in your pocket at all times. You had to be at your "home base" to interact with it or you had to rent time on someone else's system at places like the library or school.

Those of us that were already really into the internet *got* the show because we could see the internet invading more and more activities in life at that time. Even the people that watched it a few years after it aired didn't have that kind of experience. Since things like broadband were starting to become available to most people (thus allowing 24/7 connections) and flip phones were becoming affordable. Society changed rapidly from about mid-1999 to 2002. It's really had to describe to someone that didn't live through those years just how much change happened in that short amount of time. Most people I know in the states weren't even aware of Lain until 2004+. Since tape trading/early digisubs were kind of a closed circle and Lain didn't get dubbed+aired on America TV until years later. I forget the actual date the dub aired in America but I think it was after ZDTV/TechTV changed its programming blocks for geek stuff to start including gaming+otaku stuff. So I'd say it was after 2003 at least and maybe later.

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>>3643
>different Wired Lain and "Real" Lain are
There's a nuance here people miss. There is Iwakura Lain (irl one) and Lain of the Wired. Afaik an iwakura is a sacred rock where a kami resides. The name Iwakura is never used for Lain's wired self. Usually, people see Lain as someone who's become a goddess via the wired, but the show seems to be suggesting the opposite. There is an original sacred human nature which is lost as someone interacts with the wired. By the end of the show, Lain isn't a god, she's just an internet schizo.

>it felt like the anime went through a midseries change in plot, or that there were a good number of rewrites after some episodes, mostly due to how quickly some plot elements were ignored or quickly passed over
Not sure this really is a flaw. A good chunk of the anime is visualizing Lain's experiences on the wired. Like most people online today, she's constantly cycling through masses of information, fixating on one thing, then shifting to whatever else that titillates her short attention span. It feels erratic and it should because the internet makes us erratic consumers of ultimately meaningless and incoherent data.

>>3646
This. SEL is filled with that 90s zeitgeist. Well into the 2000s, socializing online still felt like a relatively niche thing. Physical media (newspapers, VHS, cassettes, letters) were on the cusp of obsolesce but still widely used.

Its not just lain. virtually every popular anime is popular for the wrong reasons.like they werent paying attention to what the animators were saying.

>>2901
>>3425
Agree with some of what you're saying, but disagree with other parts for the following reasons.
Lain's family isn't real and even if you consider them an analogy to a real dysfunctional family, it's hard to believe the creators intended for this to be a central theme.
Even as an analogy, it doesn't really work, since Lain turned out alright under her parents, more so compared to her video game version who became suicidal without real human connections. In the end, Lain's parents were good parents, despite not being real, as they helped her reach a positive conclusion.

I don't think anyone really focuses too much on Lain being a cyber goddess, but I do agree that they shill the whole 'transcending the material for the internet' deal, and I think that's a mixup. Lain chooses to leave things be and the people who all wanted to integrate were shown as unstable throughout. At the same time there are many aspects of the show that cater to these kinds of people.

Lain has a lot of denpa appealing aspects/references: it aired past 12AM, the power lines humming, the VR headset guy, etc. I think the show is intentionally appealing to the denpa audience of, at least, Japan and so it resonated to the American alternative, which isn't real, but is the younger audiences experiencing the effects of the effects this show had on the older audience who integrated it into the zeitgeist. When the newer audience began watching it, its effects were already ingrained into that younger audience before experiencing it. Most of the younger audience likely saw it already having an idea of what was going to happen or what it was about. Their connection is a feeling of being denpa without knowing what denpa is, a copy with no awareness of the original. They are wrong about the literally me aspects, but those aspects are intentionally there and integral to the whole meaning of the show, which is a callout to those kinds of people.

The show being 'denpa' opposes that its general themes are loneliness, atomization, and breakdown by technology. For one, those aspects are part of what makes it denpa, and for that reason it could be argued that focusing on those aspects is the same as people focusing on the "literally me" aspects. They are aspects that are details Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>3663
You are probably right about the denpa angle. But it does feel like there's a tension running throughout the whole anime between lamenting what technology is doing to the world and being fascinated with tech as a new kind of magic that makes radically new experiences possible. SEL doesn't seem to resolve this tension, being deliberately ambiguous about how it feels and what to do about it. I've always seen the ending as open ended, an attempt at just trying to live with the new world and let it be but without passing any real judgement on it or trying to hammer home a hamfisted message. So you have this mix at despairing at this new world while being drawn into it at the same time. And its perfectly possible for a family to be dysfunctional and still good loving parents. Sometimes Lain feels like an iyashikei anime but its inverted the aesthetic into something darker and more uncomfortable and mysterious.